Aktuelles Kartenmaterial für Wahoo ELEMNT BOLT, ROAM, ELEMNT selbst generieren

[eltigre]

Soll der Link zu @Ebe66s Karten führen?
Wenn ja, versuch mal diesen Link.

Danke, über diesen Link klappt es.

 

[ReeRuuRii]

Kurze Frage, kann auch sein, dass ich einer der letzten Dinosaurier mit dem originalen Elemnt bin: Hat jemand den mit VTM am Laufen und könnte sein Theme verlinken? Habe das jetzt mal ausprobiert mit verschiedenen im Web verfügbaren, aber die verwendeten Texturen scheinen nicht auf dem Gerät zu existieren, wodurch zwar Straßen angezeigt werden, aber die sonstige Landschaft weiß bleibt. Vielen Dank im voraus!

In English: Short question, since I might be one of the last dinosaurs rocking the original Elemnt: Does someone run it with VTM and have a theme they could share? I tried the commonly available ones, but the textures seem to be missing on the device, resulting in roads being drawn, but the remaining landscape staying white instead of gray. Thanks in advance!

 

[spclzd]

Kurze Frage, kann auch sein, dass ich einer der letzten Dinosaurier mit dem originalen Elemnt bin: Hat jemand den mit VTM am Laufen und könnte sein Theme verlinken? Habe das jetzt mal ausprobiert mit verschiedenen im Web verfügbaren, aber die verwendeten Texturen scheinen nicht auf dem Gerät zu existieren, wodurch zwar Straßen angezeigt werden, aber die sonstige Landschaft weiß bleibt. Vielen Dank im voraus!

In English: Short question, since I might be one of the last dinosaurs rocking the original Elemnt: Does someone run it with VTM and have a theme they could share? I tried the commonly available ones, but the textures seem to be missing on the device, resulting in roads being drawn, but the remaining landscape staying white instead of gray. Thanks in advance!

Der originale Elemnt kann keine Farben darstellen, es bleibt also notwendigerweise alles weiß, was im Theme nicht schwarz angelegt ist. Das Problem kann man nur ein kleines Stück umgehen, indem man mit Schraffuren und Mustern arbeitet. Ob es ein derartiges Theme speziell für den Elemnt gibt, weiß ich nicht.

 

[Ebe66]

Hi @ReeRuuRii ,

What do you expect to see on a b/w unit?
Until the end of last year I used my forced bolt1 theme on my bolt 1 which is basically screen wise the same as the elemnt.
This theme displays POI's and texture, but the only textures I use is for water and military area's.
It should be possible to extend that with some heavier or lighter shading and or patterns to mark forest for example pretty easily but on a b/w unit you run out of obvious/useful options pretty quickly too.
Maybe you already tried it, but you can find it at http://wahoomaps.higli.de/ wahhoMapsCreator-Maps > Sample Themes >VTM > VTM-Forced Bolt 1
I asked the only other person I know with an Elemnt but has not replied yet. I'm 95% sure this is what he used (on ACE now)

It's pretty easy to render other landuses, if you want simple things I might be able to help you out but no promises ;-) as these themes are also going the way of the dinosaurs

 

[ReeRuuRii]

Maybe you already tried it, but you can find it at http://wahoomaps.higli.de/ wahhoMapsCreator-Maps > Sample Themes >VTM > VTM-Forced Bolt 1
I asked the only other person I know with an Elemnt but has not replied yet. I'm 95% sure this is what he used (on ACE now)

I had looked through Intyres gists, the WahooMapCreator repo, zenziwerken and BadmanBarista's stuff, but could not find a suitable config, they all looked terrible on the B/W device. In the meantime, I went through the readmes of your folders and found your themes, they are awesome! So yes, they seem to work on the original Elemnt (although mine is named V2 in Elemntary). I recently replaced the battery, so this device has plenty of life left. My girlfriend has the Bolt 2 and is very happy with the config from your folder, too!

With the roads rendering properly and not being criss-crossed by dashed white lines, this is sufficient without additional textures for me. If I ever feel in the mood for it, I now have working examples I can follow

Two minor remarks:

a) The ice-cream icon is not linked correctly for boltv1, causing it not to appear (xml points to icons/symbols/amenity/icecream.svg, file is in icons/symbols/food/ice_cream.svg). I would have swapped devices soon, too, if I had to live in a world without ice cream. There might be others, this is only annecdotal.
b) As someone living in the city, I was drowning in bench icons around here. I went with the icon used by the Bolt2 theme instead.

Thanks for your work in creating and providing the maps and themes! If you have any plans to move these themes to github some time, I can check a couple of more things and will happily contribute directly.

 

[Ebe66]

Good to hear you (and more importantly your girlfriend ) like it!

a) The ice-cream icon is not linked correctly for boltv1,

It ain't a bug, it's a feature, I'm a diabetic!!
Unfortunately the last part is true but it's still a bug thanks!

I know about the bench "issue" as I live in a extremely crowded region myself too but themes are by definition very personal and surroundings based. Some on here wanted to have fuel station for example visible on the 20km scale which would 100% completely black out my screen but which seems to be an option in rural Germany. So by all means adapt it to your needs and preferences but no one theme will please all I think.

All is on GitHub already. As a matter of fact a guy named Henk (Intyre for you) was the "godfather" of the maps creator. But as it was Linux only and I'm on Windows I made my own (mostly) Windows version. Which in turn was picked up by Treee111 (the creator of this post). He made it usable for the masses.

I'm not very GitHub capable, I manage but half the time it has me baffled .
The project is up there but mostly as a reference for others and primarily for me to have a back-up. So I don't recommend people to even try and get it running, but suggestions and/or PR's are welcome.
https://github.com/Ebe66/Windows-Wahoo-Map-Creator-Osmosis

 

[florian_dtr]

Hab den Roam v2 und seit gestern en v3. Den gebe ich wieder zurück; bin echt enttäuscht u d liebe den V2 mit den Karten dank dieses Forums! Die Karten sind von der Farbgebung / Gestaltung echt eine Frechheit. Wirtschaftswege, Wälder, usw. werden nicht/kaum angezeigt. Da kann man Graveln/MTB vergessen. Dann ist das dunkel und stark; SEHR stark blickwinkelabhängig. Eigentlich nur gut und zu gebrauchen, wenn man max- 10-20° draufschaut...und mit der Sonne im Rücken.

Ich denke nicht, das die Karten bei dem v3 funktionieren, oder!?

Nachdem du die Karte ja wie auf deinem alten v2 angepasst hast, hat sich deine Meinung zum v3 geändert? Der schlechte Blickwinkel, sowie die schlechte Sichtbarkeit bei Schatten werden sich durch die andere Karte ja vermutlich nicht geändert haben. Hast du den v3 behalten?

 

[spclzd]

Mein Roam 3 ist heute gekommen und die Kartenstile aus dem Forum hier funktionieren...

So, einige Touren mit dem R3 getestet und bin mit den gleichen Karten (wie beim R2) sehr zufrieden...

Ich schließe mich mal den Nachfragen an, allerdings spezifischer zu custom Maps/Themes: Wäret ihr beide so nett, mal genauer zu erzählen, was genau ihr auf dem Roam v3 getestet habt? Also welche Karten, welches Theme usw. Gerne auch mit Screenshots/Fotos.

Hintergrund: Ein Kumpel und ich sind mit custom Themes auf Roam und BOLT v2 unterwegs. Das Upgrade auf v3 käme nur infrage, wenn das vtm-Rendering mit custom Themes und Maps in gleichem Umfang wie bisher möglich wäre (er hat den ROAM v3 schon da und ist -gelinde gesagt- enttäuscht von der originalen Kartendarstellung).

Wenn das technisch weiterhin möglich ist, würde ich früher oder später sicherlich auf den ROAM v3 umsteigen und mein Theme an die viel größeren Möglichkeiten (Farbraum, Pixeldichte usw.) anpassen.

 

[Ebe66]

@spclzd I doubt Google translate does justice to your questions, so sorry if this doesn't answer them correctly.
The custom maps, either mine or self generated, are identical for all devices. The theme'ing engine (VTM) has also not changed. For some reason Wahoo has put little information and poi's in there maps and switched to a very lightly modified version of the default mapsforge vtm theme.
So most certainly you can get the same results as you have now. Or put in an other way, I would not know a reason why not.
As theming is completely not my thing, I would welcome any work done on it. Mine for example really need some work.
I can not say anything about the quality of the screen on the Bolt/Roam 3 but I personally have no issues with it on the ACE.
If you can post the latest version of your theme I can try to make some screenshots to give you an idea.

 

[spclzd]

@spclzd I doubt Google translate does justice to your questions, so sorry if this doesn't answer them correctly.
The custom maps, either mine or self generated, are identical for all devices. The theme'ing engine (VTM) has also not changed. For some reason Wahoo has put little information and poi's in there maps and switched to a very lightly modified version of the default mapsforge vtm theme.
So most certainly you can get the same results as you have now. Or put in an other way, I would not know a reason why not.
As theming is completely not my thing, I would welcome any work done on it. Mine for example really need some work.
I can not say anything about the quality of the screen on the Bolt/Roam 3 but I personally have no issues with it on the ACE.
If you can post the latest version of your theme I can try to make some screenshots to give you an idea.

Thanks for the feedback - Google translate seems to do a great job, I think everything I wanted to know is answered.

I haven't changed much since I postet my theme here. If you could take a few screenshots of both urban and rural areas, that would be very helpful.

 

[Ebe66]

Edit: The link in your post does not work for me so I found your theme an other way, but it turns out this was vtm-elemnt_RM_24-01-14.zip, just found out I already had vtm-elemnt_RM_25-02-01.zip. Don't know how big the differences are if any but just so you know


Piece of graveyard with water points and some of the university next to it:

Same area 200m scale:

City center on a sunny day (bit crowdy ;-) ):

Market place. Apparently the theme does not show churches? There are two in this screenshot. Some people find churches great for orientation.

uhoh, no clue what the correct English words is, but a "childrensfarm" (?) playground with animals. An arboretum, camping, grassland and a piece park

Larger area overview:

If you want to see something specific just let me know.

 

[spclzd]

If you want to see something specific just let me know.

Thanks for the screenshots! Wow, that looks like the theme works well out of the box. I checked the large areas that are still white in the screenshots on OSM - that's a pedestrian zone that I'm not rendering explicitly at the moment. Displaying churches as landmarks is a good idea - I'll have a look at that in the next few days.

I will certainly make customizations specifically for v3 at some point. The first thing that would be easy to implement is to replace the colors represented by patterns in my theme with real hex colors and make better use of the v3 color space. Second thing could be to replace dotted lines (for unpaved paths and roads) with colored ones. But I need a v3 device myself to be able to test everything - and I'm not planning to buy one right now, although I'm tempted.

 

[Ebe66]

Yeah, I know they are stupid expensive. I was determined not to buy the ace at it's incredible 600 euro price, so I ordered it a day after it's release

I can't imagine you don't already know, but you don't "need" a v3 device for theme development. You can use Cruiser on windows/mac/linux for that and there is another option too.
Just for the heck of it, same market place example in Cruiser using your 250201 theme:

Funny to see the stairs leading down to the royal burial chambers but not the actual church

And the same area in my theme:

The dashed red ways is my Wandrer integration (roads not traveled) and the pink/cyan ways are bicycle network routes.
As you can see it's not ideal. For example the scaling of poi's is way of compared to "on device" but it's a great tool to more quickly edit a theme.
If you don't have it already, you need version 4.0.2. which is the last to support vtm rendering and is not on the site anymore. Let me know if you want it..

 

[spclzd]

I can't imagine you don't already know, but you don't "need" a v3 device for theme development. You can use Cruiser

I'm using Cruiser since the first days of my theming experiments. It's a great tool for developing individual theme elements. But as you say: the on device experience differs sometimes, so I like to do test rides with the theme on the actual device.

Besides, my passion for theme building isn't big enough to do it even if I don't get anything out of it myself. Therefore, I'll postpone making major adjustments to v3 until I've succumbed to the temptation to buy the roam v3. First thing I'll do then is look for the hex codes for all the colours the roam is able to display.

Let's see how long that takes

 

[André H. Mück]

Mein Roam 3 ist heute gekommen und die Kartenstile aus dem Forum hier funktionieren, habe bislang allerdings nur eine Stildatei und noch keine custom map draufgeladen!

Könntest Du mir bitte sagen wie Du das gemacht hast?
Bei meinem Roam2 habe ich einfach den Inhalt des VTM Ordners mit dem von dem Github Projekt (namen habe ich gerade nicht) ausgetauscht und die Anzeige war deutlich besser. Das gibt es jetzt aber ja nicht mehr. Und zu Stildatei finde ich leider nichts.

Karten möchte ich nicht tauschen, ich bin als digitaler Nomade in ganz Europa, Nordafrika und Asien unterwegs, da kommt es mir nur auf die Navigation an, die ich eh vorher mit Komoot plane (und Änderungen eher in OSM vornehme und in Komoot Highlights anlege).
Bisher hatte ich nur einmal eine falsche Karte weil eine Strasse am Hang abgebrochen war und der Neubau eine andere Straßenführung hatte (die noch nicht fertig gestellt war). Von daher bin ich mit den Karten zufrieden.

Unzufrieden bis ich mit dem neue. Display weil jetzt diese (IMHO) Touch Folie das so verblasst. Bisher war wahoo allein wegen des Displays immer deutlich vor allen Wettbewerben und nun haben sie sich angepasst. Mein Roam2 war mir runter gefallen und die Tastatur hat sich gelöst, ausserdem war das re-routing in Städten unbrauchbar weil man die Ursprungsroute meist nicht erkennen konnte. Das ist mit dem Roam3 besser. Auch der große Speicher ist für mich bequemer.
Wenn ich den Karten-Stil jetzt noch etwas kräftiger bekomme bin ich zufrieden.
Danke!

 

[Ebe66]

You can still do the same.
There are multiple sources for theme(s) like
https://github.com/zenziwerken/Bolt2-Mapsforge-VTM-Rendertheme (one of the first themes out there)
https://github.com/treee111/wahooMapsCreator/tree/develop/device_themes (somewhat older now)
Or my own try at a theme and several from other people here:
https://github.com/Ebe66/Windows-Wahoo-Map-Creator-Osmosis/tree/master/Themes/VTM
p.s. don't be fooled by the name, the VTM-Bolt and Roam 2/vtm-elemnt one works fine on v3 units.

There are more out there but most are variations on a theme (pun intended)

You can still just copy the theme files to the device like you used to.

 

[André H. Mück]

Thank you Ebe, I already tried it yesterday to create the vtm-folder to:
maps\vtm-elemnt
and I moved "all" zensiwerken files into this new folder, restart... nothing happens.
Maybe it was my fault to do not copy the folders screenshots and icons. I will copy again everything
To make it easy for the newbies, I would create a new thread with a short manual in German and with your links if you agree. It is very hard to figure out what to do on 53 pages with a lot information about mapping just to get a different map colour

EDIT: New try and worked like a charm! Fantastic, much better look. Thanks!

 

[Ebe66]

You won't get a German post/site from me But the guide at the Zenziwerken site is (almost) literally 3 lines.
There is a, dated, but more extensive guide on treee111's site although it could be clearer here and there.
Congrats at getting it working again!

 

[Einklang]

It was the first thing I tried, and it’s working fine on my Roam V3!

The only issue is that copying the files with the Android file manager usually takes 2–3 attempts, and the transfer is very slow.

 

[Ebe66]

New Juli maps for Europe including Russia and China are available for download on the OneDrive http://wahoomaps.higli.de/ If all goes well new routing will be added in a few days. I might change my mind but there will not be any new maps for other countries this time and for the foreseeable future. Why? Because creating these maps takes a considerable amount of time, which I don't mind, but as far as I know based on the I_downloaded_this file on the OneDrive other maps than then those mentioned are never or hardly ever downloaded. Request on the Telegram group https://t.me/+Mor244hPZw85YTVk are however welcome and if I can I will create them (in the same interval as always, I won't be creating maps of a region daily ) No big changes or additions to the maps this time, just regular updates.